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Post 161 \| New	Posted July 21st, 2004
2na Beans, eating it! Joined: Feb '03 Posts: -97,249	I have never seen such a complex badge on a car, especially one that uses basic Photoshop text effects. ------------------ I hope you like me and I fit in with your life.

Post 162 \| New	Posted July 21st, 2004
Alfadog beats eating it Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 3,065,928 Type: Moderator	Exactly! It's a BADGE, not a magazine. Here are a couple of basic designs you might consider elaborating on... ------------------

Post 163 \| New	Posted July 21st, 2004
2na Beans, eating it! Joined: Feb '03 Posts: -97,249	I like that left one there, perhpas some more space between the lines though, its hard to tell it is infact a N. ------------------ I hope you like me and I fit in with your life.

Post 164 \| New	Posted July 21st, 2004
Dup Cute and Fluffy :. Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 1,150	The car is looking sexy! I have a logo i need to scan, vector and give a chrome effect. Its a little quirky but It should fit nicely! ------------------ And on Christmas I like to watch old tapes of women getting gunged on Noel's House Party and wank myself off!

Post 165 \| New	Posted July 21st, 2004
Fragdieb2 Avatar is missing! Joined: Mar '03 Posts: 1,784	okay...some feedback to all the badge designs: Elxx' badge: looks cool, I really like the stainless steel look of it. Only thing that keeps me from using it is that I think it might look stupid to put a badge on a car that shows the car itself. Mad Matt's attempts: quite beautiful, but a bit too detailed. As 2na mentioned, it's rather complex, which might be not a great choice for a badge, as people tend to remember simple logos easier. I'm afraid that most of the details will get lost if I shrink them to a good size for a texture. I'm not sure about the font Matt chose either, I think it's a bit displaced for a car that mainly shows power and agression. Alfas basic designs: definitely a base to work on. Let's see what Dup's logo looks like, hope he gets that done soon. Handling feedback (mainly for Cerbera), after a 15 minute test through Vice City: The car has quite a lot of grip. Pulling through traffic is easy, lane changes at full speed are possible without losing grip. It requires quite a lot of handbrake in narrow corners, though. I think that's quite like it should be for a car with this extremely long wheelbase, width, and tyre sizes. The grip level is actually so good that I think it could even take a bit more power. I definitely need to work on the suspension, it just doesn't feel good right now. I can't give it any more travel, though, the body is having no more room to take that. ------------------ -temporary placeholder for a new cool signature-

Post 165 | New

Posted July 21st, 2004

Fragdieb2
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okay...some feedback to all the badge designs:

Elxx' badge: looks cool, I really like the stainless steel look of it. Only thing that keeps me from using it is that I think it might look stupid to put a badge on a car that shows the car itself.

Mad Matt's attempts: quite beautiful, but a bit too detailed. As 2na mentioned, it's rather complex, which might be not a great choice for a badge, as people tend to remember simple logos easier. I'm afraid that most of the details will get lost if I shrink them to a good size for a texture. I'm not sure about the font Matt chose either, I think it's a bit displaced for a car that mainly shows power and agression.

Alfas basic designs: definitely a base to work on.

Let's see what Dup's logo looks like, hope he gets that done soon.

Handling feedback (mainly for Cerbera), after a 15 minute test through Vice City:
The car has quite a lot of grip. Pulling through traffic is easy, lane changes at full speed are possible without losing grip. It requires quite a lot of handbrake in narrow corners, though. I think that's quite like it should be for a car with this extremely long wheelbase, width, and tyre sizes. The grip level is actually so good that I think it could even take a bit more power.
I definitely need to work on the suspension, it just doesn't feel good right now. I can't give it any more travel, though, the body is having no more room to take that.

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Post 166 \| New	Posted July 21st, 2004
ameer cunt smasher! Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 3,063	Call it a Mazda just for the sake of confusing people. ------------------

Post 167 \| New	Posted July 21st, 2004
Azz the barbarian. grrr Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 1,785 Type: Administrator	a couple of minutes fiddling in flash.. obviously ignore the colours. (you know it's bad I STILL don't know the bloody tags for this board. have to use those drop downs every time...) ------------------ azz.gouranga.com est. 1998 (I am oldskoolier than joo)

Post 168 \| New	Posted July 22nd, 2004
Alfadog beats eating it Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 3,065,928 Type: Moderator	Fragdieb2 wrote: Handling feedback (mainly for Cerbera), after a 15 minute test through Vice City: The car has quite a lot of grip. Pulling through traffic is easy, lane changes at full speed are possible without losing grip. It requires quite a lot of handbrake in narrow corners, though. I think that's quite like it should be for a car with this extremely long wheelbase, width, and tyre sizes. The grip level is actually so good that I think it could even take a bit more power. I definitely need to work on the suspension, it just doesn't feel good right now. I can't give it any more travel, though, the body is having no more room to take that. Please dont let it have TOO much grip..! ------------------

Post 168 | New

Posted July 22nd, 2004

Alfadog
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Fragdieb2 wrote:

Handling feedback (mainly for Cerbera), after a 15 minute test through Vice City:
The car has quite a lot of grip. Pulling through traffic is easy, lane changes at full speed are possible without losing grip. It requires quite a lot of handbrake in narrow corners, though. I think that's quite like it should be for a car with this extremely long wheelbase, width, and tyre sizes. The grip level is actually so good that I think it could even take a bit more power.
I definitely need to work on the suspension, it just doesn't feel good right now. I can't give it any more travel, though, the body is having no more room to take that.

Please dont let it have TOO much grip..!

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Post 169 \| New	Posted July 22nd, 2004
Dup Cute and Fluffy :. Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 1,150	Very rough sketch. I can chrome that up if you like, make it a little more compact. The N part will go on the front, full thing on the back. ------------------ And on Christmas I like to watch old tapes of women getting gunged on Noel's House Party and wank myself off!

Post 170 \| New	Posted July 22nd, 2004
ameer cunt smasher! Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 3,063	That looks great, until you realize the "N" is a sperm.. ------------------

Post 171 | New

Posted July 22nd, 2004. Updated July 24th, 2004

Cerbera
Ben 'Cerbera' Millard

Joined: Feb '03
Posts: 1,800

Fragdieb2 wrote:

OK, I re-wrote my suspension tutorials on my site so I have the full formula up there. This means I can take a scientific calculator to the library and work out suspension properly there.

(EDIT) I'm now at the library, so I'll remind myself of the line the car is using currently:
Code:

BANSHEE 1250.0 2.2 4.5 1.1 0.0 0.03 0.15 70 0.95 0.80 0.46 5 275.0 35.0 R P 5.0 0.62 0 22.5 1.8 0.18 0.30 0.49 45000 0.18 -0.14 0.5 0.3 1008183 1 0

Now it's time for the scientific calculator paired with my Suspension Formula to figure out what the actual effect of those settings are.

Code:

10(Spring Force / (Upper - Lower)) = Spring Effect
10(1.8 / (0.18 + 0.14)) = 56.25

Spring Effect: 56.25

- - - - - - - -

80(Damper Force / (Upper - Lower)) = Damper Effect
80(0.18 / (0.18 + 0.14)) = 45

Damper Effect: 45

These are race-car stiff, plus the effect should be the same for both. I use a stiffness of around 35 for sporty cars and 50 for GT racecars, so for this I'll use 40. With these limits I calculate:
Code:

(Spring Effect(Upper - Lower)) / 10 = Spring Force
(40(0.18 + 0.14)) / 10 = 1.28

Spring Force = 1.28

- - - - - - - -

(Damper Effect(Upper - Lower)) / 80 = Damper Damper
(40(0.18 + 0.14)) / 80 = 0.16

Damper Force = 0.16

Righty, incorporating these (as well as a little traction and CoM_Y tweak) into the handling gives this:
Code:

;Cerbera's handling for Fragdieb's Neural:
BANSHEE 1250.0 2.2 4.5 1.1 0.0 0.03 0.15 70 0.90 0.75 0.46 5 275.0 35.0 R P 5.0 0.62 0 22.5 1.30 0.16 0.30 0.49 45000 0.18 -0.14 0.5 0.3 1008183 1 0

Let me know what the brakes are like. Take some 1024x768 images of the car in action by driving figure-eights around Starfish island in Cinematic mode, then URL link them here. I'll use one for the entry this will eventually have on my site, once the handling is sorted.

(EDIT2) I think Azz's design, which is a similar idea to Alfa's first doodle, would work as a badge best of all. Putting it in some sort of a square frame, or a diamond, or something would take it from being a stylised letter into the realms of manufacture badge.

Someone could try a less literal logo, I only know of Honda and Toyota as using their first letter as thier logo and Toyota's is hardly even a letter. Oh, you need to figure out a model name for this as well.

Neural 12R (Number of cylinders, amount of horsepower, top speed, plus some letters.)
Neural KFN&G&*(TB FRBHJU (Letters-and-numbers type name.)
Neural Vista
Neural Impact

You could add a couple of letters onto the end of those model name suggestions, combo it up.

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Post 172 \| New	Posted July 24th, 2004
Fragdieb2 Avatar is missing! Joined: Mar '03 Posts: 1,784	Looks like I've got to hurry up with the release of this thing, I'll be leaving for holydays next wednesday, and I wont be able to play Vice City then as it doesn't run on my laptop. Short handling feedback: Suspension is much better now, the car really shows the forces that work on it when cornering. The brakes seem quite suitable for this car, I'll do a more detailed handling test this evening, it's just too hot right now. Cerbera wrote: I think Azz's design, which is a similar idea to Alfa's first doodle, would work as a badge best of all. Putting it in some sort of a square frame, or a diamond, or something would take it from being a stylised letter into the realms of manufacture badge. Azz' logo is at least something that's easy to recognize and keep in mind. I don't know why almost all of you (except Azz and Alfa) favour those pseudo-handwriting fonts, I don't really like them, they look more 70's than 80's to me. Cerbera wrote: Someone could try a less literal logo, I only know of Honda and Toyota as using their first letter as thier logo and Toyota's is hardly even a letter. Hyundai does, too, Volkswagen (in a way), Talbot did that when they were building cars. Cerbera wrote: Oh, you need to figure out a model name for this as well. Neural 12R (Number of cylinders, amount of horsepower, top speed, plus some letters.) Neural KFN&G&*(TB FRBHJU (Letters-and-numbers type name.) Neural Vista Neural Impact You could add a couple of letters onto the end of those model name suggestions, combo it up. Don't encourage me, my sick brains will probably come up with something like Neural XTC Rush V12 or likewise. ------------------ -temporary placeholder for a new cool signature-

Post 172 | New

Posted July 24th, 2004

Fragdieb2
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Looks like I've got to hurry up with the release of this thing, I'll be leaving for holydays next wednesday, and I wont be able to play Vice City then as it doesn't run on my laptop.

Short handling feedback: Suspension is much better now, the car really shows the forces that work on it when cornering. The brakes seem quite suitable for this car, I'll do a more detailed handling test this evening, it's just too hot right now.

Cerbera wrote:

I think Azz's design, which is a similar idea to Alfa's first doodle, would work as a badge best of all. Putting it in some sort of a square frame, or a diamond, or something would take it from being a stylised letter into the realms of manufacture badge.

Azz' logo is at least something that's easy to recognize and keep in mind. I don't know why almost all of you (except Azz and Alfa) favour those pseudo-handwriting fonts, I don't really like them, they look more 70's than 80's to me.

Cerbera wrote:

Someone could try a less literal logo, I only know of Honda and Toyota as using their first letter as thier logo and Toyota's is hardly even a letter.

Hyundai does, too, Volkswagen (in a way), Talbot did that when they were building cars.

Cerbera wrote:

Oh, you need to figure out a model name for this as well.

Neural 12R (Number of cylinders, amount of horsepower, top speed, plus some letters.)
Neural KFN&G&*(TB FRBHJU (Letters-and-numbers type name.)
Neural Vista
Neural Impact

You could add a couple of letters onto the end of those model name suggestions, combo it up.

Don't encourage me, my sick brains will probably come up with something like Neural XTC Rush V12 or likewise.

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Post 173 | New

Posted July 26th, 2004

Cerbera
Ben 'Cerbera' Millard

Joined: Feb '03
Posts: 1,800

I will (hopefully) be doing the Neural setup tomorrow morning, gotta be off the home PC now. Have fun with the Porsches until then.

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Post 174 \| New	Posted July 27th, 2004
Mstrdzynr C.I.W. certifed Joined: Jul '04 Posts: 13	That is .... a great car.... and a very good job recreating the texture and lines ....My only wish is that i may some day have the talent to hang with the big boys and make one look... sooo-goood... ------------------ The blood on my hands.. are merely proof of my ambition.... Kaeruek.

Post 175 | New

Posted July 27th, 2004

Cerbera
Ben 'Cerbera' Millard

Joined: Feb '03
Posts: 1,800

Cerbera wrote:

I will (hopefully) be doing the Neural setup tomorrow morning, gotta be off the home PC now. Have fun with the Porsches until then.

http://cerbera.daves-hosting.co.uk/gtavc/images/25neural.JPG

1024 x 768
Code:

;Fragdieb Neural
BANSHEE 1250.0 2.2 4.5 1.1 0.0 0.03 0.12 70 0.88 0.74 0.45 5 275.0 32.5 R P 4.5 0.60 0 22.5 1.50 0.19 0.30 0.50 80000 0.20 -0.18 0.5 0.0 1000183 1 0
;

All done. :y

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Post 176 \| New	Posted July 28th, 2004
The Anti-Christ Scum of the Earth 4 18yr !!! Joined: Jul '04 Posts: 23	here's a simple few i made in paint company and type logos

Post 177 \| New	Posted July 28th, 2004
Mark Joined: Mar '03 Posts: 614	Whose gonna listen to a guy calling himself the anti-christ. Im not back posting here again, just looking around at a few models... I've got a few 3D modeling tools, and im making buildings and such. 3DSMAX6 is really good... I've also found a small proggy called sketchup 4.0 . Nice car frag, im sure it'l handle like a dream lol

Post 178 \| New	Posted August 21st, 2004
Scaarub2 Joined: Aug '04 Posts: 16	o.o; last tiem i was here was over a year ago, and only one or two cars were getting developed. i remember when azz showed his mini cooper before it was even half done i think. we all knew we'd see a great car. And congrats to you azz, it is looking excellent now that its been finished for many months. Either way, ive got to say these few things. oh - my - fuckign - god. Are you serious?? A neural?? in gta3??? That is ridiculous. Im not being nasty or anything, but this neural.. Well.. its sort of, superior to gta3. Put this in gta3, and youd think all the other cars had been replaced by crapper models. I mean, this neural is fucking sweet, i cant believe how much of a low poly count it has as well, i mean, wow this is blowing me away. If you make futuristic-like cars and team up with an excellent map maker, then you guys could make a futuristic GTA3. Im sure we would all like to see that. This car is amazing. If your confused wether i like/hate this car, then stop being confused, because i LOVE this car. Excellent work, and basing it off Dups neural, ingenious. It must have been hard without blueprints as a reference, but how you made it with only a top down image to begin with is pure brilliant. very very good, keep us posted!!

Post 178 | New

Posted August 21st, 2004

Scaarub2

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o.o; last tiem i was here was over a year ago, and only one or two cars were getting developed. i remember when azz showed his mini cooper before it was even half done i think. we all knew we'd see a great car. And congrats to you azz, it is looking excellent now that its been finished for many months. Either way, ive got to say these few things. oh - my - fuckign - god.
Are you serious?? A neural?? in gta3??? That is ridiculous. Im not being nasty or anything, but this neural.. Well.. its sort of, superior to gta3. Put this in gta3, and youd think all the other cars had been replaced by crapper models. I mean, this neural is fucking sweet, i cant believe how much of a low poly count it has as well, i mean, wow this is blowing me away. If you make futuristic-like cars and team up with an excellent map maker, then you guys could make a futuristic GTA3. Im sure we would all like to see that. This car is amazing.
If your confused wether i like/hate this car, then stop being confused, because i LOVE this car. Excellent work, and basing it off Dups neural, ingenious. It must have been hard without blueprints as a reference, but how you made it with only a top down image to begin with is pure brilliant. very very good, keep us posted!!

Post 179 \| New	Posted August 22nd, 2004
ameer cunt smasher! Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 3,063	Fragdieb2 wrote: Wheel: same wheels untextured on the neural: Although I didn't really like these rims, they do fit if you think about it hard enough. The Nueral and these rims look like something straight from Italdesign. They've used a similar rim design in other concepts, including the Corvette Moray. I think it's pretty odd that your wheels would look so similar to Italdesign wheels, on a car so similar to something Italdesign would come up with. Were you by any chance looking towards them for inspiration, or is this purely coincidental? ------------------

Post 179 | New

Posted August 22nd, 2004

ameer
cunt smasher!

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Fragdieb2 wrote:

Wheel:

same wheels untextured on the neural:

http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~jaktonn/pics/neural_with_wheels.jpg

Although I didn't really like these rims, they do fit if you think about it hard enough. The Nueral and these rims look like something straight from Italdesign.

http://cool33.w.interia.pl/scighera3.jpg

They've used a similar rim design in other concepts, including the Corvette Moray.

I think it's pretty odd that your wheels would look so similar to Italdesign wheels, on a car so similar to something Italdesign would come up with.
Were you by any chance looking towards them for inspiration, or is this purely coincidental?

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Post 180 \| New	Posted August 22nd, 2004
Inky is a pie Joined: May '03 Posts: 1,003	Beautiful rims . ------------------ "you know, the only satisfaction that i get dealing with people like that, is imagining them having sex"

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