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Emma (my girlfriend) has a sister who has four children:-
  • Leo, Male, 4
  • Rhys, Male, 6
  • Philly, Female, 7
  • Smilie, Male, 8

During the weekend of the 12th of December 2004 I introduced them to Grand Theft Auto (1), specifically the Vice City Chapter 1 level.  They each played one after the other until they died or got arrested and had a whole lot of fun.  I am publishing this so that people can have some facts about how computer games affect young people.

Whilst they were playing I jotted down some notes as I observed them:-
  • Had trouble moving player and car during the first day.  During second day all had learnt the basic movement controls.
  • Drove around until they got a wanted level and then got arrested.
  • Drove train and used Vice Shores station to Vice Beach footbridge.
  • I showed them the machine gun kill frenzy, which they said looked like an action movie.
  • Explained to them that Hare Krishna's are a religious group who like to walk around together.
  • They figured out the autosnap for cars when on roads.
  • I showed them how to sell cars at cranes.
  • The hand-eye coordination thing people say you get from games is true because by the second day they were getting the right keys without even looking.
  • Familiarising themselves with technology, stage on from interactive TV games.

The kids enjoyed just driving around the city seeing all the different types of building, parks and warehouses.  If computer games like GTA are turning us all into criminals, then how I observed the kids playing GTA means that it must have turned them all into obsessive sightseers.  Other kids who play the GTA series must be being turned into taxi drivers, bus conductors, train drivers, stunt actors, police officers, fire fighters and paramedics.

Seems more like something on the BBC Learning Zone than an explicit, violent video game.

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My infamous ex-fiance had 3 nephews.

She had a PS2, GTA3 and Vice City. She had Vice City before me!

Anyway, Joseph was 2 years old, Luke was 3, Thomas and Becky were both 9.

Nicola didn't really wanna expose them to GTA, as they're her sisters kids etc. Well anyway, instead of GTA I used to sit and play Spyro with them all, taking turns like you described.

Becky and Thomas were old enough to control and understand the game and spent most time killing each other over the controller.

Joseph, the smallest was bloody amazing. He could only press two buttons at a time and it took a while for him to realise he was actually controlling the dragon on the TV, but when he realised he tried different buttons and explored the whole experience. After a while he could run up to ledges, jump on them and he could breathe fire at the enemies. He was just way too young to link it all together to play like a pro.

Luke has ADD. He's a full year older than Josephy but yet speaks fewer words. Seems like a tear away but he's a great kid. His attitude towards Spyro was aggressive, running him walls, laughing and making him breathe fire over and over again.

After a few gos I managed to get him to be more absorbed by the eniroment, telling him to "make spyro go look up there" and he'd do it, find something interesting etc. Well for xmas he got a gameboy advance, cos he kept nicking Thomas'. Well... He'd sit there for hours playing the GBA, completing levels etc... madness. It sent him into another world and if you tried to divert his attention away from it he'd go crazy.

Kids and games mix differnetly in different situations. Lukes ADD made a really significant differnece to the other kids approach. Thomas, his brother was very smart and he used to solve all the puzzles i couldn't bloody manage. Quite amazing really.

As for GTA... its a game. Kids grow up with games these days and they can tell the difference. Same goes with TV, Film and Music. Its being used as a scapegoat as it may only a small part of the problem. Learning disabilities and parenting are the main problems, it took for luke to get to school when he was diagnosed with ADD, we just thought he was a little shit.

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Got a younger brother who's fifteen. I wouldn't let the little maniac anywhere near GTA, ever. Partly because I wholeheartedly enforce age restrictions, but mainly out of spite.

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I wouldn't let a 4 year old play Grand Theft Auto

I certainly never played anything like that when I was 4.

I mean fuck, FOUR years old, who knows what affect it can have. 10 year old sure, but four....
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4 years old? Seems a bit dangerous to me, but, meh.

I remember when I first played it (Wow, ages ago... I can't remember, it was on our second PC, it actually had Windows biggrinsmile: I sometimes used to drive around within the law, stop at lights, etc. CAn't ALL be bad.

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I actually agree - you let a FOUR year old play GTA?

also, Smilie, Male, 8 - that's not his real name... please.... shy:ysmilewinkgrinlaugh

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Vally, we had a kid at our school called Happy. Happy. What the FUCK? People shouldn't do drugs when naming a child.

Tossers, that kid is doomed.

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I'm trying to teach my 6 year old nephew how to play Unreal Tournament 2004. Still dosen't grasp the concept of "wasd" but slowy learning..

He's already pretty good at Armagetron (Tron lightcycle type game) and he plays Grand theft Auto : Vice city on my PC, however the agreement is, if he shoots anyone while playing GTA:VC, I turn off the game, so all he does is drive around hitting jumps and stuff.

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You let a 4 year old play GTA?
That really is fucked up!
Even if they just accidently drove headlong into a group of innocent peds, then they automatically get it inprinted into thier small yet expanding minds that its ok to knock someone down in a car...
And this may never surface, but think, in 13 years, that 4 year old might be driving and might think its perfectly ok to drive into someone...

Maybe me rambling, but thats fucked up!!!

Needles

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I personally think it instills deeper messages.  For example, if said adult proceeds to hit a pedestrian by accident, whilst driving a car - he may be conditioned just to drive off rather than call for an ambulance and face the police over the matter.

It's more to do with morales and ethics, imho - and lets face it, GTA is totally devoid of them (but then, that's why it's fun to play, as it's mearly escapism to me) - however, to children, and those with the mindsets of children, the GTA (and other) universe paints a hideous dis-topia for them to relate to in their lives.

hmmmm.

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Personally, I think its ok for kids to play these kind of games. They should keep their rating, and they shouldn't be sold to kids, but I feel sure that any 12 year old with any kind of reasonable upbringing is not going to be affected by a game like GTA.

PS: I first played GTA at the age of 12. I played games like DOOM when I was 9 or so

8 year old is pushing it I think, and 6 would be the absolute minimum that I think these games probably have no effect provided a child has a decent upbringing and therefore knows right and wrong.

But 4 years old, ridiculous. Who remembers when they were 2 or 3? A four year old has barely any knowledge of the world, and a game like GTA could really mess with their head.

The game is designed for eighteen year olds. They don't trust a 17 year old and there must be good reason why he have these ratings.
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thresh wrote:

PS: I first played GTA at the age of 12. I played games like DOOM when I was 9 or so


So that explains why your so fucked up biggrin

Needles

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Hey, I play violent games as a kid, but im ok.
The thing is now the lack of any discipline instilled in most kids like Chav's, hence they are twats. If they let their kids play GTA, they won't tell them right and wrong. I was taught this at an early age, its wrong to hurt/kill someone for no reason.

But a kid who is very young and/or hasn't being taught this won't know.

I must admit, im with Vally, GTA is for me a chance to escape and do what i'd not do in real life. Its also awesoem stress releif.

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Who was really playing games at the proper age rating of 18? I wasn?t.

But 4 years old is ridiculous, sure the kid will learn more morals then what is in GTA but it?s not exactly helping.

You can?t say that the fist thing they learn is the only thing they will learn.

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Although they do learn if they do this that cops come and shoot them. Although also the simple respray to get away doesn't help, or respawning.

Shouldn't they be playing Fluffy Bunny goes shopping or something?

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To me, I dont really care about if Children should be playing violent video games or not. It's their choice. I've been playing the original GTA when I was at a young age... and I dont seem to mind.

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Valdez wrote:
It's more to do with morales and ethics, imho - and lets face it, GTA is totally devoid of them (but then, that's why it's fun to play, as it's mearly escapism to me) - however, to children, and those with the mindsets of children, the GTA (and other) universe paints a hideous dis-topia for them to relate to in their lives.


Yes! Precisely why the age restrictions exists. I let my younger brother play when he was 8 or so, but I told him the game was about driving skills. We took turns in driving, trying to not go on the footpath and always stop at red lights etc. If you ran someone over - it's MY TURN!!

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OK, time to educate some people who haven't thought about this. :P

GTA1 is a top-down, brightly coloured, sprite-based, low-resolution, low-realism computer game.  It looks more like a cartoon than reality.  As demontrated by the Looney Tunes cartoons, kids are plenty intelligent enough to discern between realityand make-beleive.  The reason being that making that distinction requires only a small degree of intelligence.  That is the fact which stops computer games from being banned complete:  People realise that what they do in a game is not the same as what they might elsewhere.

Although it is right to be skeptical of the psychological sophistication of very young people (they cannot normally comprehend the finality of death in any way until around 8 years old) it is important to note that they are very quick learners.  Indeed, it is well known that young children learn far faster than adults so that they can get the vital skills of language, coordination and so on.

Therefore there is no risk of the game coercing them towards devious or malicious practises.  If this were true then, as I stated, the game would also be coercing them to be train drivers and sight-seeing tourists.  It is ridiculous and condescending to say that children are unable to make this distinction.

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    ive come up with a solution to gta. gta electroshock therapy! hook up your child to the game and every time they do something bad, the game will "discipline" them. its perfect! every right-minded parent in the world will buy one for their children. foolproof.  smilewinkgrin 

    some people believe that children's shows like barney and teletubbies will make children gay. ima start working on a solution for that right away!  laugh
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