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Post 1 \| New	Posted April 13th, 2003
Alfadog beats eating it Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 3,065,928 Type: Moderator	A lot of car-talk going on lately, so I thought I'd introduce this topic. A lot of cars are reasonably unknown in this world and need to be brought out into the lime-light. Here's the first, the 1965 Nissan Silvia The first car to wear the Silvia badge. Only around 500 were made... very very rare indeed, I've only seen one and that, strangely enough, was in New Zealand. The styling of these things is amazing - very european, yet pointed the way for styling of the 70s. OK, who's next? ------------------

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Posted April 13th, 2003

Alfadog
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A lot of car-talk going on lately, so I thought I'd introduce this topic. A lot of cars are reasonably unknown in this world and need to be brought out into the lime-light.

Here's the first, the 1965 Nissan Silvia

http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/silviaside.jpg

The first car to wear the Silvia badge. Only around 500 were made... very very rare indeed, I've only seen one and that, strangely enough, was in New Zealand. The styling of these things is amazing - very european, yet pointed the way for styling of the 70s.

OK, who's next?

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http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii288/lidm/grandJDMsig_03.jpg

Post 2 \| New	Posted April 13th, 2003
Patto Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 65	Looks a lot like the Bertone designed Mazdas... now they are class cars. I would have to say Triumph Dolomite Sprint... they are prolly much better known in europe than here (hardly anyone here even knows what a Triumph is... INFIDELS) and they are stonking. If I could find a decent one I would buy it.

Post 3 \| New	Posted April 13th, 2003
Leo man 2 years for this! WooHoo! Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 184	Buy it you say. well I went to blocket.se (swedish site) and I found "lot's" of nice Triumphs. ------------------ Leo!

Post 4 \| New	Posted April 13th, 2003
Azz the barbarian. grrr Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 1,785 Type: Administrator	guy who used to live opposite me in cov had two bright yellow dolomite's. nice looking cars. in fact I have a vague memory of my mother owning one when I was little. right before she bought a brown yugo. don't ask... ------------------ azz.gouranga.com est. 1998 (I am oldskoolier than joo)

Post 5 \| New	Posted April 14th, 2003
Alfadog beats eating it Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 3,065,928 Type: Moderator	Mazda? Pah... all they ever did for us is wankels and bubbles 1967 (?) Toyota 2000 GT 150 HP straight six and curvaceous styling that made the Europeans piss their paints. Then it was a flop, selling little more than 300. Today theyre worth mega - bucks... funnily enough, this was designed by the same man as the silvia above. And if youre thinking 240Z you're on the right track. Yamaha and Nissan was planning on making a sports coupe, with Yamaha providing the 2-litre double overhead cam engine, and Nissan providing the body to stick it in. Nissan hired Albrecht Goertz as a design consultant. Nissan was unhappy with the engine supplied so the idea was shelved. Goertz had spent a total of 32 days at Nissan before he left. Goertz moved with Yamaha to Toyota and designed the 2000 GT. Design similarity accounted for. :) But, the story does not end there! Nissan developed their 2.2 litre six from the Prince cars (they bought out Prince) into a 2.4 litre twin-carb unit, and used Goertz basic ideas to design the Z. Released in late 1969, the 240Z was a great success. But that's another story. 10 years on with the release of the 280ZX a car magazine in the US interviewed Goertz and Nissan disagreed with his comments, making a statement that he "had nothing to do with the design of the 240Z". After a threat by Goertz to go to court Nissan retracted their statement, and paid out Goertz a very large sum of money. So now Goertz had his way and could claim he "desgined" the 240Z, which is completely WRONG. It was the in-house design team who designed the Fairlady Z to look as pretty as it does. Goertz has even admitted something along the lines of "They designed it, but I showed them how". He showed them how to do full-scale clay mockups, for example. To me that doesn't mean he deserves credit for designing the car. Not at all. Here is a picture detailing from left to right top to bottom: 1966 Triumph GT6, Ferrari 275GTB, the A550X clay model (designed mainly by Goertz in 1964), the AV-V clay model designed by Nissan in 1966, the A550X metal prototype built by Yamaha for design purposes, and finally the Datsun 240Z as it was released. Sure the A550X and the Fairlady Z have similarities, but those similarities are limited to the basic features of a sports car of the time. Look at teh Triumph and Ferrari - does this mean Pininfarina designed the 240Z??? Obviously not. Unlike some people, I do not claim this work to be mine. The picture I borrowed from zhome.com/History/Truth/A550Xvs240Z.htm Spread the truth! ------------------

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Posted April 14th, 2003

Alfadog
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Mazda? Pah... all they ever did for us is wankels and bubbles

1967 (?) Toyota 2000 GT

http://www.vistanet.co.jp/museum/2000gt.jpg

150 HP straight six and curvaceous styling that made the Europeans piss their paints. Then it was a flop, selling little more than 300. Today theyre worth mega - bucks... funnily enough, this was designed by the same man as the silvia above.

And if youre thinking 240Z you're on the right track. Yamaha and Nissan was planning on making a sports coupe, with Yamaha providing the 2-litre double overhead cam engine, and Nissan providing the body to stick it in. Nissan hired Albrecht Goertz as a design consultant. Nissan was unhappy with the engine supplied so the idea was shelved. Goertz had spent a total of 32 days at Nissan before he left.

Goertz moved with Yamaha to Toyota and designed the 2000 GT. Design similarity accounted for. :)

But, the story does not end there! Nissan developed their 2.2 litre six from the Prince cars (they bought out Prince) into a 2.4 litre twin-carb unit, and used Goertz basic ideas to design the Z. Released in late 1969, the 240Z was a great success. But that's another story.

10 years on with the release of the 280ZX a car magazine in the US interviewed Goertz and Nissan disagreed with his comments, making a statement that he "had nothing to do with the design of the 240Z". After a threat by Goertz to go to court Nissan retracted their statement, and paid out Goertz a very large sum of money.

So now Goertz had his way and could claim he "desgined" the 240Z, which is completely WRONG. It was the in-house design team who designed the Fairlady Z to look as pretty as it does. Goertz has even admitted something along the lines of "They designed it, but I showed them how". He showed them how to do full-scale clay mockups, for example. To me that doesn't mean he deserves credit for designing the car. Not at all.

Here is a picture detailing from left to right top to bottom: 1966 Triumph GT6, Ferrari 275GTB, the A550X clay model (designed mainly by Goertz in 1964), the AV-V clay model designed by Nissan in 1966, the A550X metal prototype built by Yamaha for design purposes, and finally the Datsun 240Z as it was released.

http://zhome.com/History/Truth/All6SideBySide.jpg

Sure the A550X and the Fairlady Z have similarities, but those similarities are limited to the basic features of a sports car of the time. Look at teh Triumph and Ferrari - does this mean Pininfarina designed the 240Z??? Obviously not.

Unlike some people, I do not claim this work to be mine. The picture I borrowed from zhome.com/History/Truth/A550Xvs240Z.htm

Spread the truth!

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Post 6 \| New	Posted April 14th, 2003. Updated April 14th, 2003
ameer cunt smasher! Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 3,063	Bricklin. The beautiful car no one remembers. Should it go down in time as a work of art? Or a Delorean rip-off? You be the judge. Bricklin And of course I think we have all forgoton the beautiful little BMW: M1 ------------------

Post 7 \| New	Posted April 14th, 2003
RyanL Master of Helicopters Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 1,016	AJ32 On 13/04/2003 @ 20:23:35 wrote: Bricklin. The beautiful car no one remembers. Should it go down in time as a work of art? Or a Delorean rip-off? You be the judge. Bricklin That's pretty awesome. It's kind of squarish, but definitely a work of art. ------------------ [VC Helicopter Guide]

Post 8 \| New	Posted April 14th, 2003
Alfadog beats eating it Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 3,065,928 Type: Moderator	From 1975 too - pretty futuristic styling! Although I swear those tail lights are from a 240Z............ ------------------

Post 9 \| New	Posted April 16th, 2003
groovealex omg, ifos! Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 1,900	What a strange coinkydink; I was driving home from work today and saw my first road-going 240Z, in a rather fetching silver. Actually it looked fucking awesome and I resolved to work hard to get one like it, which just shows... well I dont know, but it did look fine. AS for the Brocklin, like a snake chewing a tape cassette was one wag's impression at the time, and i kind of agree, but not unkindly.

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Posted April 16th, 2003

groovealex
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What a strange coinkydink; I was driving home from work today and saw my first road-going 240Z, in a rather fetching silver. Actually it looked fucking awesome and I resolved to work hard to get one like it, which just shows... well I dont know, but it did look fine.

AS for the Brocklin, like a snake chewing a tape cassette was one wag's impression at the time, and i kind of agree, but not unkindly.

Post 10 \| New	Posted April 17th, 2003
-Richard- Joined: Mar '03 Posts: 303	The very first skyline built by Prince in 1957. Prince was later bought by nissan who continue to build skylines to this day.

Post 11 \| New	Posted May 10th, 2003
Laserfoxx Part-Time Forum Foxx Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 52	points Dolomite!! Oh yes, now THAT's a car. I really want one of those. British Racing Green with all the chrome, classic style, or a yellow Sprint, minus bumpers and a black vinyl roof. Or both. Always wanted to leave a boy-racer modded Nova choking on my Dolomite's mighty dust. :D Foxxy ------------------ Gentle When Stroked - Fierce When Provoked

Post 12 \| New	Posted May 10th, 2003
groovealex omg, ifos! Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 1,900	First car ever with standard alloy wheels donchaknow. Bloody nice as well, arn't they?

Post 13 \| New	Posted May 10th, 2003
jues RZ me... Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 584	I had a friend whos dad had one. It was a rather nasty shade of marmalade orange and looked like a real rust bucket - so much so that I used to laugh at it very hard. Until he took me for a drive in it.... I love the way it has an "overdrive" switch on the gearknob to get you into 5th - classy :) ------------------ alfadog wrote: i am teh spunk

Post 14 \| New	Posted May 10th, 2003
JJHW Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 1,058	Noone over here has heard of a 200SX, fools! I'm getting a 240Z, I MUST get one... I saw a Lambo Diablo but I think it was a kitted MR2... ------------------ Long live the first 20 members! - I'm number 15 duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhuhuuuhuhuhuhuhhhuuh

Post 15 \| New	Posted May 10th, 2003
groovealex omg, ifos! Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 1,900	My best friends are LL Cool J, Paul Merson and Spike Milligan, believe.

Post 16 \| New	Posted May 10th, 2003
Kyle Jones Not a Mod! Sexy bod! Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 653	Laserfoxx On 10/05/2003 @ 08:38:42 wrote: points Dolomite!! I'm right here... Oh, you said dolomite.

Post 17 \| New	Posted May 11th, 2003
Fordy Grrrrr Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 1,049	dolo, sal, hmmm....... ------------------

Post 18 \| New	Posted May 11th, 2003
teknics the definition of old skool Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 193	anything rotary isn't well known for being unrealiable fuel-guzzling rust buckets. kevin. ------------------ who is old skool? whoever actually visited niteshade.net/hh while it was open. which rules out about 99% of you punks.

Post 19 \| New	Posted May 12th, 2003. Updated May 12th, 2003
Alfadog beats eating it Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 3,065,928 Type: Moderator	now, dont be so harsh on yourself there tek... ;) ------------------

Post 20 \| New	Posted May 12th, 2003
Neo Asian Wannabe :. Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 223	Evil satanic monkey alfa! Now you're starting on tek! Naughty monkey... ------------------ ~ We're all sensitive people ~

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