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Post 1 \| New	Posted February 2nd, 2011
ameer cunt smasher! Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 3,063	I'm going to out and say it: the Top Gear Reliant Robin Rocket was faked with a scale model rocket. Nowadays, people are a lot more aware of how scripted, edited, and faked Top Gear is. But when the Reliant Robin Shuttle episode aired, most of us were just happily believing what we were told, and weren't asking questions. Today it's time to start asking important and difficult questions. Watch the footage. Notice how the presenters are never shown in the same frame as the rocket in the air. We never ACTUALLY know how far or close they are from the rocket. Look at the bottom of the full scale rocket, which I propose is a dummy prop. At some points, you can see that the bottom is solid. Look at the rocket in the air, which I propose is a model rocket. The fire is coming from the middle, not the solid rocket boosters which are supposedly functional. The explosion at the end was faked. This is IRREFUTABLE. The YouTube clip might not tell the whole story, feel free to download or purchase a high quality, high definition version of this episode, and watch the last few seconds of the rocket's flight frame by frame. The rocket is falling, the camera cuts to a COMPLETELY different shot, and then there is an explosion. Think about it logically. Is it realistic that the radio control man would be allowed to refuse a bunker? Is it realistic that the BBC would spend this kind of money on a dumb stunt? Is it realistic that they would be allowed to launch of huge missile? Wouldn't there be huge safety episodes? When you watch Mythbusters, you can tell everything they are doing is for real. They have multiple replays with multiple camera angles, and they show the presenters actually building devices and gizmos. Why do we NEVER get a sense of how big the ACTUAL launching rocket is? Why do they not go examine the wreckage? Why no replays? Earlier in the clip, Hammond is experimenting with a small model plane, being flown by a handheld controller. Later, the "shuttle" is expected to be controlled by the same style of controller. What are the odds they were ACTUALLY dealing with a life-size rocket and shuttle, versus launching a scale rocket and attempting to land a scale model plane (the kind of model plane that controller is appropriate for). People often talk about this being "the largest non-commercial rocket launch in Europe". However, you will find no concrete evidence to back that up. It's simply a myth perpetuated by the episode itself. Top Gear claims they enlisted the help of an amateur rocket enthusiast club. However, how often do these amateur clubs deal with rockets capable of lifting a motor vehicle? These clubs deal with scale model rockets, often VERY large scale rockets- but scale rockets nonetheless. They built a life-sized model of a rocket with a Reliant Robin attatched to the side. This was a dummy prop never designed to fly. Then they built an identical, but much smaller, scale model rocket. They showed the presenters walking around the huge prop, then launched the scale model rocket, then edited it all together. YOU DECIDE. ------------------

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Posted February 2nd, 2011

ameer
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I'm going to out and say it: the Top Gear Reliant Robin Rocket was faked with a scale model rocket.

Nowadays, people are a lot more aware of how scripted, edited, and faked Top Gear is. But when the Reliant Robin Shuttle episode aired, most of us were just happily believing what we were told, and weren't asking questions.

Today it's time to start asking important and difficult questions.

Watch the footage. Notice how the presenters are never shown in the same frame as the rocket in the air. We never ACTUALLY know how far or close they are from the rocket.

Look at the bottom of the full scale rocket, which I propose is a dummy prop. At some points, you can see that the bottom is solid.

Look at the rocket in the air, which I propose is a model rocket. The fire is coming from the middle, not the solid rocket boosters which are supposedly functional.

The explosion at the end was faked. This is IRREFUTABLE. The YouTube clip might not tell the whole story, feel free to download or purchase a high quality, high definition version of this episode, and watch the last few seconds of the rocket's flight frame by frame. The rocket is falling, the camera cuts to a COMPLETELY different shot, and then there is an explosion.

Think about it logically. Is it realistic that the radio control man would be allowed to refuse a bunker? Is it realistic that the BBC would spend this kind of money on a dumb stunt? Is it realistic that they would be allowed to launch of huge missile? Wouldn't there be huge safety episodes?

When you watch Mythbusters, you can tell everything they are doing is for real. They have multiple replays with multiple camera angles, and they show the presenters actually building devices and gizmos. Why do we NEVER get a sense of how big the ACTUAL launching rocket is? Why do they not go examine the wreckage? Why no replays?

Earlier in the clip, Hammond is experimenting with a small model plane, being flown by a handheld controller. Later, the "shuttle" is expected to be controlled by the same style of controller. What are the odds they were ACTUALLY dealing with a life-size rocket and shuttle, versus launching a scale rocket and attempting to land a scale model plane (the kind of model plane that controller is appropriate for).

People often talk about this being "the largest non-commercial rocket launch in Europe". However, you will find no concrete evidence to back that up. It's simply a myth perpetuated by the episode itself.

Top Gear claims they enlisted the help of an amateur rocket enthusiast club. However, how often do these amateur clubs deal with rockets capable of lifting a motor vehicle? These clubs deal with scale model rockets, often VERY large scale rockets- but scale rockets nonetheless.

They built a life-sized model of a rocket with a Reliant Robin attatched to the side. This was a dummy prop never designed to fly. Then they built an identical, but much smaller, scale model rocket. They showed the presenters walking around the huge prop, then launched the scale model rocket, then edited it all together.

YOU DECIDE.

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Post 2 \| New	Posted February 2nd, 2011
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Post 3 \| New	Posted February 2nd, 2011
Dan Wei Joined: Jan '05 Posts: 303	Top Gear also claims to be entertaining and about cars. YOU DECIDE.

Post 4 \| New	Posted February 13th, 2011
ameer cunt smasher! Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 3,063	That's right! You guys can't HANDLE the truth!! MODEL ROCKET, NOT SPACE SHIP. ------------------

Post 5 \| New	Posted February 13th, 2011
Maindrian Anti-Hero Deluxe Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 2,501 Type: Moderator	I would bang the living daylights out of Dana Scully. ------------------ Maindrian and Touge's videos of vague annoyance - Est. 2007

Post 6 \| New	Posted February 15th, 2011
2na Beans, eating it! Joined: Feb '03 Posts: -97,249	Sound effects are fake, reactions are fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake. ------------------ I hope you like me and I fit in with your life.

Post 7 \| New	Posted February 15th, 2011
Fragdieb2 Avatar is missing! Joined: Mar '03 Posts: 1,784	And who cares anyway? ------------------ -temporary placeholder for a new cool signature-

Post 8 \| New	Posted June 29th, 2011
laighleas Joined: Jun '11 Posts: 2	Unfortunately for that theory it is all documented. Here you go - Google is your friend: www.xboxliveaddicts.co.uk/forums/topic/14508-top-gear-shuttle/ info.uwe.ac.uk/news/uwenews/news.aspx?id=1002 www.rocketeers.co.uk/?q=node/333 menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/235826_reliant_robin_goes_a_rocket http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=6694.25;wap2 Rocket Men Ltd 5 Grange Park Road Cheadle Stockport Cheshire SK8 1HQ Now you can write to everyone and ask if they faked it. You'd look pretty silly if they all come back and say no. Given that the NASA site gives the technical details of the launcher, I think that's a very, very high probability that they'd blow your theory out of the water. Should use Google to check these things before theorising. :-) Kevin

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Posted June 29th, 2011

laighleas

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Unfortunately for that theory it is all documented. Here you go - Google is your friend:

www.xboxliveaddicts.co.uk/forums/topic/14508-top-gear-shuttle/
info.uwe.ac.uk/news/uwenews/news.aspx?id=1002
www.rocketeers.co.uk/?q=node/333
menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/235826_reliant_robin_goes_a_rocket
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=6694.25;wap2

Rocket Men Ltd
5 Grange Park Road
Cheadle
Stockport
Cheshire SK8 1HQ

Now you can write to everyone and ask if they faked it. You'd look pretty silly if they all come back and say no. Given that the NASA site gives the technical details of the launcher, I think that's a very, very high probability that they'd blow your theory out of the water.

Should use Google to check these things before theorising. :-)

Kevin

Post 9 \| New	Posted June 29th, 2011. Updated June 29th, 2011 by Azz
Deleted Member	A new member? In my G!? Ignore me, I'm an idiot and I'm about to be temp banned...

Post 10 \| New	Posted July 2nd, 2011
laighleas Joined: Jun '11 Posts: 2	Oh, and this link gives the name of the people involved in making it. They're all UK Rocket Association members: newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Uk/uk.tech.rocketry/2007-02/msg00094.html More folks you can contact. :-) You can reach them via the UKRA. Cost from other sources - estimated at �60k-�80k Total hrust of the engines - approx 8 tonnes. It was aimed to get the vehicle up to 3000 feet. The NASA site has all the technical details. However it is the largest non-government, non-military launch to take place in the UK, so it is probably in the record books as well. Incidentally, the Robin didn't detach because one of the clamps was out of alignment by a few thou. The interesting thing is that it was someone in the UKRA who appears to have sold the idea to the BBC. As I said, Google is your friend. :-) Kevin

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Posted July 2nd, 2011

laighleas

Joined: Jun '11
Posts: 2

Oh, and this link gives the name of the people involved in making it. They're all UK Rocket Association members:

newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Uk/uk.tech.rocketry/2007-02/msg00094.html

More folks you can contact. :-) You can reach them via the UKRA.

Cost from other sources - estimated at �60k-�80k

Total hrust of the engines - approx 8 tonnes. It was aimed to get the vehicle up to 3000 feet. The NASA site has all the technical details. However it is the largest non-government, non-military launch to take place in the UK, so it is probably in the record books as well. Incidentally, the Robin didn't detach because one of the clamps was out of alignment by a few thou.

The interesting thing is that it was someone in the UKRA who appears to have sold the idea to the BBC.

As I said, Google is your friend. :-)

Kevin

Post 11 \| New	Posted July 2nd, 2011
Maindrian Anti-Hero Deluxe Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 2,501 Type: Moderator	Heroic. I like this one, let's keep him. ------------------ Maindrian and Touge's videos of vague annoyance - Est. 2007

Post 12 \| New	Posted July 2nd, 2011. Updated July 2nd, 2011
ameer cunt smasher! Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 3,063	laighleas wrote: http://www.xboxliveaddicts.co.uk/forums/topic/14508-top-gear-shuttle/ Absolutely nothing here but one guy- on an xbox forum of all places- spouting on. Hell, I could post on any forum saying I achieved any number of things. Absolutely weak starting point, bro. Quote: http://info.uwe.ac.uk/news/uwenews/news.aspx?id=1002 This is all about building the miniature wind-tunnel model. This proves nothing toward the construction or feasibility of an actual rocket. Quote: http://www.rocketeers.co.uk/?q=node/333 Absolutely nothing here at all. One sentence about how they were 'behind' the supposed Top Gear Reliant Robin rocket? Sorry, the word 'behind' is not sufficient evidence for anything. Quote: http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/235826_reliant_robin_goes_a_r ocket Nothing here except a blurry, distorted picture of some wood being nailed onto a Robin. WOOD. Quote: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=6694.25;wap2 Some blokes posting in a NASA forum, honestly? So anything posted in any forum anywhere is factual authentication, as long as something vaguely related to the subject exists in the URL? The original poster even says he's just copy/pasting from another website. My only regret is wasting my time visiting useless your links. Nice try, keep on kidding yourself. Just give Top Gear the benefit of the doubt- we all know they have a long standing track record as a purveyor of reliable, factual, serious information. Don't do anything brash like use common sense for a minute. And certainly don't watch the "crash" of the "rocket" frame by frame so you can see the sloppy editing which undeniably cuts from a shot of the rocket falling, to a shot of an explosion in a field from a completely different angle. ------------------

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Posted July 2nd, 2011. Updated July 2nd, 2011

ameer
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Joined: Feb '03
Posts: 3,063

laighleas wrote:

http://www.xboxliveaddicts.co.uk/forums/topic/14508-top-gear-shuttle/

Absolutely nothing here but one guy- on an xbox forum of all places- spouting on. Hell, I could post on any forum saying I achieved any number of things. Absolutely weak starting point, bro.

Quote:

http://info.uwe.ac.uk/news/uwenews/news.aspx?id=1002

This is all about building the miniature wind-tunnel model. This proves nothing toward the construction or feasibility of an actual rocket.

Quote:

http://www.rocketeers.co.uk/?q=node/333

Absolutely nothing here at all. One sentence about how they were 'behind' the supposed Top Gear Reliant Robin rocket? Sorry, the word 'behind' is not sufficient evidence for anything.

Quote:

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/235826_reliant_robin_goes_a_r ocket

Nothing here except a blurry, distorted picture of some wood being nailed onto a Robin. WOOD.

Quote:

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=6694.25;wap2

Some blokes posting in a NASA forum, honestly? So anything posted in any forum anywhere is factual authentication, as long as something vaguely related to the subject exists in the URL? The original poster even says he's just copy/pasting from another website.

My only regret is wasting my time visiting useless your links.

Nice try, keep on kidding yourself. Just give Top Gear the benefit of the doubt- we all know they have a long standing track record as a purveyor of reliable, factual, serious information.

Don't do anything brash like use common sense for a minute. And certainly don't watch the "crash" of the "rocket" frame by frame so you can see the sloppy editing which undeniably cuts from a shot of the rocket falling, to a shot of an explosion in a field from a completely different angle.

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Post 13 \| New	Posted July 2nd, 2011
Maindrian Anti-Hero Deluxe Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 2,501 Type: Moderator	Ameer, you're getting internet fury. Put down the laptop and go and have a nice, cool, refreshing glass of piss. ------------------ Maindrian and Touge's videos of vague annoyance - Est. 2007

Post 14 \| New	Posted July 3rd, 2011
Fragdieb2 Avatar is missing! Joined: Mar '03 Posts: 1,784	Glass of Piss? That's now called Margarita a la Bear Grylls. ------------------ -temporary placeholder for a new cool signature-

Post 15 \| New	Posted July 3rd, 2011
Maindrian Anti-Hero Deluxe Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 2,501 Type: Moderator	Well, I'm of the opinion that Hammond's famous crash was totally faked. I mean, you only have to look at the footage. Actually, if you look carefully at most of their challenges, it's fairly obvious most of it is faked and edited to form a comedy narrative. ------------------ Maindrian and Touge's videos of vague annoyance - Est. 2007

Post 16 \| New	Posted July 10th, 2011
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Post 17 \| New	Posted July 10th, 2011
Maindrian Anti-Hero Deluxe Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 2,501 Type: Moderator	Touge reminded me of this. He probably would have posted it but he thinks you're all cunts and should die. ------------------ Maindrian and Touge's videos of vague annoyance - Est. 2007

Post 18 \| New	Posted July 10th, 2011. Updated July 11th, 2011 by Azz
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