| Post 41 | New | Posted December 30th, 2004 |
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| Post 42 | New | Posted December 31st, 2004 |
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| Toumai Wal-Mart Greeter
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| Post 43 | New | Posted January 1st, 2005 |
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| BUSTeD Hater
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| Post 44 | New | Posted January 13th, 2005. Updated May 10th, 2005 |
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| Fragdieb2 Avatar is missing! 
| Progress is getting really slow...the stupid window took about 14 hrs altogether until it looked halfway decent:   ------------------ -temporary placeholder for a new cool signature- |
| Post 45 | New | Posted January 14th, 2005 |
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| ameer cunt smasher! 
| Shit, that's incredible. ------------------   |
| Post 46 | New | Posted January 15th, 2005. Updated May 10th, 2005 |
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| Fragdieb2 Avatar is missing!
| First early stage ingame test, the comparison first Neural (foreground) vs new Neural (background) gives a good impression how small this car really is, Tommy hardly fits into it: ------------------ -temporary placeholder for a new cool signature- |
| Post 47 | New | Posted January 16th, 2005 |
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| Will Shovel Headed Kill Machine 
| Holy cow, the detail on that is amazing! ------------------ -My site got deleted-   |
| Post 48 | New | Posted January 20th, 2005 |
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| eddy Midgetman 
| Haha, not been here for over a year and cerbs still going on about low poly modelling! lmao Frag the car looks brilliant mate, keep up the good work. ------------------  |
| Post 49 | New | Posted February 6th, 2005. Updated May 10th, 2005 |
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| Fragdieb2 Avatar is missing!
| WIP pic of the engine, trying to keep the high detail level: exhaust pipes and some minor stuff are still missing. ------------------ -temporary placeholder for a new cool signature- |
| Post 50 | New | Posted February 6th, 2005 |
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| RunYaSneakers does this thing work? 
| Uh oh, here comes cerb to tell people how to model their cars! Looks great, I love that engine. ------------------  |
| Post 51 | New | Posted February 8th, 2005 |
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| 2na Beans, eating it!
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| Post 52 | New | Posted February 8th, 2005. Updated February 8th, 2005 |
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| Fragdieb2 Avatar is missing!
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| Post 53 | New | Posted February 8th, 2005 |
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| Will Shovel Headed Kill Machine
| That is a sexy engine! You'll make me install VC on this shitty PC! Just to play with it! Damn, i gotta fix my main rig. Grrrr. ------------------ -My site got deleted- |
| Post 54 | New | Posted February 9th, 2005 | ||
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| Cerbera Ben 'Cerbera' Millard
| You realise that your suspension would not move when set up like that? There is nowhere for the steering arm to move. Even if you put a UV and CV joint there, the suspension geometery would be completely wrong. Your wheel would be leaning around all over the place as the suspension moved through a decreasing upward arc. The stagger between the level of the suspension pivots to the body and the level of the pivots to the wheel brackets would be making the wheel camber in the opposite direction to the way it should do. The unequal lengths are the right way round (top being shorter) but are totally out of proportion. The combination of this would make the wheel camber outwards as it went upwards but arc inwards. Get some LEGO Technic and try it out. I've gotta get off the PC now because my parents are in bed but I could take photos of the same arrangement in LEGO to show how messed up the geometry is. Not to mention the fact that GTAVC only supports single-strut suspension movements anyway. ------------------
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| Post 55 | New | Posted February 9th, 2005 |
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| Will Shovel Headed Kill Machine
| Formula One Cars. ------------------ -My site got deleted- |
| Post 56 | New | Posted February 10th, 2005. Updated May 10th, 2005 |
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| Fragdieb2 Avatar is missing!
| Cerbera wrote: You realise that your suspension would not move when set up like that? There is nowhere for the steering arm to move. Even if you put a UV and CV joint there, the suspension geometery would be completely wrong. Your wheel would be leaning around all over the place as the suspension moved through a decreasing upward arc. You've got a point in there, if you'd built a suspension setup from the parts I've modeled, it wouldn't move. The steering arm would require something like a ball connector to work properly. I haven't really got an idea what a "UV and CV joint" is right now, that's something you don't learn in english class in a german school. The connection between the suspension arms and the upright(?) requires some reworking to to actually make movement possible. I should remodel some bits to make it look more realistic. Quote: The stagger between the level of the suspension pivots to the body and the level of the pivots to the wheel brackets would be making the wheel camber in the opposite direction to the way it should do. The unequal lengths are the right way round (top being shorter) but are totally out of proportion. The combination of this would make the wheel camber outwards as it went upwards but arc inwards. Also true, but as the total travel of this car's suspension would be 10 cm at maximum, because it would scrape the ground with more travel, the wheel camber change would be around 1-2? between lower and upper suspension limit. Quote: Get some LEGO Technic and try it out. I've gotta get off the PC now because my parents are in bed but I could take photos of the same arrangement in LEGO to show how messed up the geometry is. Who needs LEGO when you've got this:   Dirty, but I think you can see how the front suspension works quite good. Quote: Not to mention the fact that GTAVC only supports single-strut suspension movements anyway. ...and not even animated suspension parts...those bastards at R* are giving you less and less for your money. I think few people would have realized those points if I released it as is, though. ------------------ -temporary placeholder for a new cool signature- |
| Post 57 | New | Posted February 10th, 2005 | ||
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| Cerbera Ben 'Cerbera' Millard
| Whew, thanks for not flying off the handle.  UV joint: UniVersal joint, like a ball joint but allows rotation to be transferred. CV joint: Constant Velocity joint. Slightly misleading name because it is actually nothing much to do with velocity. It allows one shaft to slide inside another but keeps their rotation locked together. Normally uses splines to achieve this. As you probably know, even half a degree of camber makes a big difference to the handling characteristics and the wear on the tyres. Because your suspension is cambering the wheels in the wrong direction, any change that it makes will be doubled because it is in the opposite direction to the way it should be. If you study the geometry on the second picture of the buggy, the suspension arms start close to each other at the body but move away from each other until they reach the wheel bracket. This makes the wheel move in an arc with the centre near the centre of the vehicle width. This makes the inside wheel lean outwards and the outside wheel lean inwards when cornering to compensate for the outward lean of the body. By making the bottom arm a little longer it smoothens out the arc and lean effects. Rear suspension follows the same principles. However, in GTAVC the suspension animation uses a very straightforward arc where the wheel leans by a lot. This is because the game basically assumes the suspension is using a single suspension strut which starts at the very centre of the vehicle width. With no upper strut to work against, this means that the wheel leans a great deal. If you have a complicated suspension system, you have to make sure that it still looks alright with the default lean animation. If you set the suspension anti-dive it will at least stop the body from diving under braking, so you won't get such an obvious wheel lean. Stiff suspension settings with a short travel will also help the camber be less evident. ------------------
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| Post 58 | New | Posted February 10th, 2005 |
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| That Shit Touge ^____________^;; 
| It's a game. ------------------  STORY OF MY LIFE: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 |
| Post 59 | New | Posted February 10th, 2005 |
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| Will Shovel Headed Kill Machine
| I hope the poor guy doesn't model a drivetrain or we might end up into effeciency here.  Well, at least its not poly count. Heh, I had to tweak suspension ond camber on work experience. For Capri's have the worst suspension access ever, and Adjusting the '03 Impreza's camber is easy as piss. The guy had us lower it to about 5" ride hieght. Nutter. ------------------ -My site got deleted- |
| Post 60 | New | Posted February 11th, 2005 |
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| Fragdieb2 Avatar is missing!
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